Ok fixed - it wasn't too hard: 1. rebooted 2. searched for all files with pass in them - there were 5? that had passwords - some with the new and some with the old 3. changed them all to the new 4. started server program 5. changed the password to the old 6. tested phpadmin - it worked 7. shut down servers 8. changed the password to the new 9. tested phpmyadmin - it worked 10. tested my programs - they work too.