LOL np. I'll be Mr, Mrs, or Sir Dimwit if it helps me get this silly thing worked out! I will try that but I thtought you said blank text file? Perhaps you know the answer to my other two problems...my partner and I bought our php script for our site from a gentleman in Egypt. Of course we have to change it for our needs and I am able to get at all the pages for the test server except index.php When I try to view in browser on that one it comes up with an error unable to open with password yes????? And when I try to shut down apache it doesn't shut down unless I hit my puters reset button. I use the Start.Vbs and it flashes a blank dos page and then the start msql box and now it goes to a web page and everything but the virtual host works but it sure doesn't want to shut down......LOL must like it here. Again I am using windows 98SE I am on my laptop right now but I will go add that line to the text file and try it in a few minutes........ Thanks again Ms,Mr,Sir,Miss Dimwit